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Do you want to own your famous brand watch,please come here,you can afford – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it.(discounting…) http://www.famousbrandwatch.com

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Do you want to own your famous brand watch…

Do you have a "Lazy Double L"? Lumpy — In Your Ears for 40 Years http://www.lumpymusic.com

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Do you want to own your famous brand watch,please come here,you can afford I got yer famous brands right here. Ed

A friend (not usually gullible) ordered some film from a magazine ad years ago, because it promised "famous brand film".   That’s exactly what she got:   a green roll of 35mm Famous Brand film. Kris

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Do you want to own your famous brand watch,please come here,you can afford

I got yer famous brands right here. Ed

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I’m still waiting till they re-release Super-8 so that I can get a new projector.

I’m wondering how much longer 35mm 4-perf theatrical will be around. 70mm 5-perf is pretty much dead already, with only IMAX (70mm 15-perf) holding its own in release of new titles. I’m astonished to see that the 16mm secondary market is still alive: <http://www.modernsoundpictures.com — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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I’m wondering how much longer 35mm 4-perf theatrical will be around. 70mm 5-perf is pretty much dead already, with only IMAX (70mm 15-perf) holding its own in release of new titles.

I have a feeling they will linger on for decades to come.  Look at all these little secondary dollar matinees (really $2) that have popped up using old equipment showing current movies. I’m astonished to see that the 16mm secondary market is still alive: <http://www.modernsoundpictures.com

Now, that is pretty neat.  I saw on one of the cable channels were a gentleman had a large theater in his basement built around all the old projection equipment and seating.  It was really amazing.  After seeing that I would prefer that style to the new home theaters being offered currently, from a strictly nostalgic standpoint. Rita

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I’m astonished to see that the 16mm secondary market is still alive: <http://www.modernsoundpictures.com Now, that is pretty neat.  … from a strictly nostalgic standpoint.

I was wondering why the 16mm market survives. It might in part be due to the exhibiting organizations not being willing to upgrade to modern video projection equipment, but my suspicion is that this market is an "IP niche" – an artifact of the licensing terms on retail movie media. See: <http://www.modernsoundpictures.com/FHWP.html If the Modern’s clients want to show a recent movie to their org, they can’t just rent a DVD at BlockBuster, strictly speaking. The terms on retail media exclude such exhibitions. The 16mm secondary market, easily over half a century old, was set up to manage its own media that *is* specifically licensed for such exhibition (and which guarantees that the studios get their cut). Notice, for example, that a one-time showing of "The Incredibles" is $250. Needless to say, your local Pixar fan club probably doesn’t go the legit route, runs the BlockBuster media instead, and keeps to a low profile. Also interesting is that Modern doesn’t offer anything but 16mm and VHS. No DVD. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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I’m astonished to see that the 16mm secondary market is still alive: <http://www.modernsoundpictures.com

It dropped considerably when they hid them behind the DVDs with the new Item Specifics crap, but they used to sell pretty well on eBay, too.  

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The big difference between LaserDisc and DVD is that it’s painless to make a next-generation player compatible with current DVDs.  Sure, there will be better-quality versions of a lot of the DVDs we currently own–but there will be no shortage of hardware on which to play current DVDs anytime soon.

I’m still waiting till they re-release Super-8 so that I can get a new projector. Rita

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The result will be that SD-DVD titles will be downgraded, as mono LP titles were when stereo came out in 1958 (moreso, actually).

I have CDs from the early 80s that are probably downgraded by the re-release of the "new and improved" versions.  No matter, they still sound great and I won’t be buying new ones.  This goes for DVDs as well.  The music and movie industry are quickly reaching the point of diminishing returns. Rita

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi – I was having a discussion with some friends over the holiday season and the subject of acquiring DVDs on eBay came up. Seems like there are tons of sellers offering DVDs, both new and used. With this in mind, what is the best way for the first time eBay buyer to stream through all the sources out there? My friends and I were discussing region 1, but I’m sure that this is the same situation for anywhere in the world, no? How does the consumer protect himself/herself from bootlegs? I’d like to hear your ideas. It’s really tough to beat Columbia House for DVDs if you use the enrollment codes.  Read about it here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=a336c65c5f910516be8433a… I’ve been in and out 8 or 10 times, and have always paid less than $10 each for brand-new DVDs delivered to my door, and often less than $9. They’re not "club editions" or anything like that; they’re exactly the DVDs you buy at the store. They don’t have *everything* you can buy at Best Buy or Amazon, but they do have an awful lot of it.  It’s a great way to build a huge library. — http://hiwaay.net/~williams/

What possible use could you have for a DVD? These are laughingly obsolete. Download the music direct. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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But once the BluRay or HD-DVDs hit the shelves, today’s DVDs will be in the remainder bins with the LaserDiscs. The big difference between LaserDisc and DVD is that it’s painless to make a next-generation player compatible with current DVDs.

Indeed. We’ll be able to read/play 99% of common 120mm polycarbonate formats into the indefinite future. The only one lost along the way is the 5-minute analog SD-TV content on CDV-5 media. (SD: Standard Definition) Sure, there will be better-quality versions of a lot of the DVDs we currently own–but there will be no shortage of hardware on which to play current DVDs anytime soon.

Hollywood will be salivating at the prospect of remastering all possible SD-TV content for HD-TV. Where they can go back to film source elements or HD video source elements, expect the (SD) DVD titles to be disco’d, replaced by HD-DVD titles. They’d love it for everyone to upgrade their libraries from SD to HD. The result will be that SD-DVD titles will be downgraded, as mono LP titles were when stereo came out in 1958 (moreso, actually). By the way, if HD-DVD is done half-vast adequately, the theatre owners need to be VERY nervous, because HD will allow a home theatre experience superior in almost every respect to typical, or even "THX-cert" 35mm projection. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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What possible use could you have for a DVD?

I like the special features, the portability, and the ubiquity of playback equipment. These are laughingly obsolete.

That depends on what’s important to you, doesn’t it? [...] — http://hiwaay.net/~williams/

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Hi – I was having a discussion with some friends over the holiday season and the subject of acquiring DVDs on eBay came up. Seems like there are tons of sellers offering DVDs, both new and used. With this in mind, what is the best way for the first time eBay buyer to stream through all the sources out there? My friends and I were discussing region 1, but I’m sure that this is the same situation for anywhere in the world, no? How does the consumer protect himself/herself from bootlegs?

If the seller has a bunch of buy it nows that sound too good to be true, don’t buy from them. Especially watch out for China and Hong Kong. Most of the DVDs you see that fit this description are not just the Chinese version, they are bootlegs. mjoann

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What possible use could you have for a DVD? These are laughingly obsolete. Download the music direct.

Music? Was Don thinking CD? Or perhaps 8-track? Anyway, he has a point. DVD is about to be eclipsed by what ever HD format the Hollywood lawyers settle on (and they, of course, lean toward one that’s permanent-pay-per-view with no analog-out). But once the BluRay or HD-DVDs hit the shelves, today’s DVDs will be in the remainder bins with the LaserDiscs. — http://www.access-one.com/rjn           email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What possible use could you have for a DVD? These are laughingly obsolete. Download the music direct. Music? Was Don thinking CD? Or perhaps 8-track? Anyway, he has a point. DVD is about to be eclipsed by what ever HD format the Hollywood lawyers settle on (and they, of course, lean toward one that’s permanent-pay-per-view with no analog-out). But once the BluRay or HD-DVDs hit the shelves, today’s DVDs will be in the remainder bins with the LaserDiscs.

The big difference between LaserDisc and DVD is that it’s painless to make a next-generation player compatible with current DVDs.  Sure, there will be better-quality versions of a lot of the DVDs we currently own–but there will be no shortage of hardware on which to play current DVDs anytime soon. — http://hiwaay.net/~williams/

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Hi – I was having a discussion with some friends over the holiday season and the subject of acquiring DVDs on eBay came up. Seems like there are tons of sellers offering DVDs, both new and used. With this in mind, what is the best way for the first time eBay buyer to stream through all the sources out there? My friends and I were discussing region 1, but I’m sure that this is the same situation for anywhere in the world, no? How does the consumer protect himself/herself from bootlegs? I’d like to hear your ideas. Sam

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Hi – I was having a discussion with some friends over the holiday season and the subject of acquiring DVDs on eBay came up. Seems like there are tons of sellers offering DVDs, both new and used. With this in mind, what is the best way for the first time eBay buyer to stream through all the sources out there? My friends and I were discussing region 1, but I’m sure that this is the same situation for anywhere in the world, no? How does the consumer protect himself/herself from bootlegs? I’d like to hear your ideas.

It’s really tough to beat Columbia House for DVDs if you use the enrollment codes.  Read about it here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=a336c65c5f910516be8433a… I’ve been in and out 8 or 10 times, and have always paid less than $10 each for brand-new DVDs delivered to my door, and often less than $9. They’re not "club editions" or anything like that; they’re exactly the DVDs you buy at the store. They don’t have *everything* you can buy at Best Buy or Amazon, but they do have an awful lot of it.  It’s a great way to build a huge library. — http://hiwaay.net/~williams/

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Hi – I was having a discussion with some friends over the holiday season and the subject of acquiring DVDs on eBay came up. Seems like there are tons of sellers offering DVDs, both new and used. With this in mind, what is the best way for the first time eBay buyer to stream through all the sources out there? My friends and I were discussing region 1, but I’m sure that this is the same situation for anywhere in the world, no? How does the consumer protect himself/herself from bootlegs?

Check out some of your local pawnshops for used DVDs as they generally have a great selection for $5.00 each and sometimes cheaper when you buy in small quantities.  Buying DVDs on eBay can be tricky with so many bootlegs listed. I would probably consider only buying DVD titles on eBay that I can’t buy locally. Rita

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Zippo style lighters require a lot of work to keep them happy, but will last a lifetime. disposable lighters will last as long as the fuel is not used up or leaks out.  I have seen disposable lighters that had to be at least 10 years old that still work.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations.

I prefer disposables because I can get lots of them and have them all over the place. I would not want to rely on them as my sole source of starting a fire in the wilds.  In addition, I pack a tune of vaseline soaked cotton balls. waterproof matches, and tea light candles for fire starting. Strider

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A Zippo is filled manually and lasts a few days (3-6 days) before it is dry and needs refilling.  Thus, it requires constant maintenance. Even if I am assiduous in filling the zippo, it is only good for a few days in the event of an emergency.

A Zippo can be run off of quite a few diff types of fuels and a flint can be had from any emptied butane lighter….the same can’t be said for the butane. Short-term survival….take multiple Bics.  Long-term survival….plan on a Zippo or four. ral

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations.

I have been thinking about this issue for the past few weeks.  I am NOT a smoker.  As such, I have very little day to day need for a lighter. A Zippo is filled manually and lasts a few days (3-6 days) before it is dry and needs refilling.  Thus, it requires constant maintenance. Even if I am assiduous in filling the zippo, it is only good for a few days in the event of an emergency. A butane lighter does not require maintenace.  In the event of an emergency, it can last for a period of time that is CERTAINLY longer than a zippo.  At most, I need to take a peek at the translucent container every couple of months to check if the butane is still full. Conway Yee

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman

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I keep a pair of disposable lighters about my person most of the time, there are also bics in my BOV, and BOB kits , I would like to add one of those storm proof butane lighters that are powerful enough to solder with to my kit when I can afford one, Companys like Brunton market such things.

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations.

Disposable lighters have almost all the advantages, short term.  Long term, eventually they’ll run out of fuel and be useless. In some brands, the glue/plastic holding the wheel together reportedly decays and crumbles after several years.  Which makes the lighter useless as a lighter… Zippos, on the other hand, are forever and can burn almost any flammable fuel. Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky)

I’d hate to consider the alternatives… Ratman

FW

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Childproof mechanisms can cut both ways.  To me the most important thing is trying to use it when your hands are numb, you are injured, shaking with hunger, or just dog exhausted.  You can find them without the latches if you look.

Before giving up on the idea of childproof, try a couple.  One kind is so identical to the way I use them anyway that I couldn’t figure out where the childproofing was, but I still got the doesn’t-accidentally-run-out-of-fuel effect.  I doubt numbness or injury would make any difference to me for that particular kind, though, since I couldn’t even figure out what the difference was until somebody showed me.

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations.

Zippo No! Disposable Si! Gunner "Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

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You will get considerably more ‘lights’ per fill out of a disposable than you will out of  a Zippo.  My kit has 2 disposables and a container of waterproof strike anywhere matches.  I carry candle stubs in 35mm film containers to use as an aid to starting fires.  A flashlight cell and some steel wool will start a nice fire; just short the steel wool across the cell.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zippo style lighters require a lot of work to keep them happy, but will last a lifetime. disposable lighters will last as long as the fuel is not used up or leaks out.  I have seen disposable lighters that had to be at least 10 years old that still work. I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been thinking about this issue for the past few weeks.  I am NOT a smoker.  As such, I have very little day to day need for a lighter. A Zippo is filled manually and lasts a few days (3-6 days) before it is dry and needs refilling.  Thus, it requires constant maintenance. Even if I am assiduous in filling the zippo, it is only good for a few days in the event of an emergency. A butane lighter does not require maintenace.  In the event of an emergency, it can last for a period of time that is CERTAINLY longer than a zippo.  At most, I need to take a peek at the translucent container every couple of months to check if the butane is still full. Conway Yee

I don’t smoke either, but I’ve carried a butane lighter in my pocket for many years. One important thing to do is to take it out of your pocket and light it at least once a week.  I’ve had them go bad in my pocket for no apparent reason even when visibly still full of fuel.  This will let you check the fuel level while you’re at it. Had an opportunity to light a pretty girl’s cigarette the other day and the damn light was full of lint!  Only took a moment to pick it out, but the moment was blown. Just as well, I suppose… …..Alan.

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I think I should mention that the disposable lighters, butane etc. will not work when cold. Leave one in the freezer for a while and check it out. I prefer zippo lighters any day, they will work in very low temps.

If you keep them in your pocket close to your skin they will never get too cold. — free men own guns – slaves don’t www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

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I think I should mention that the disposable lighters, butane etc. will not work when cold. Leave one in the freezer for a while and check it out. I prefer zippo lighters any day, they will work in very low temps. Mark in Montana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman

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- From the FWIW department… It’s possible to solder with a disposable or Zippo lighter too. The Zippo makes it easier because you don’t need to depress a lever to keep it going, but basically what you need is a small "tube" that you can gently blow air through. Something small, about the size of a "swizzle stick" or maybe just a bit smaller. Metal would be nice, but even plastic will work in a pinch. Aim the tube towards the flame, just about the area where it changes color from blue to yellow, keeping it a short distance from the flame itself, and gently force air into the flame. The flame ill be redirected to a very hot "pinpoint". A bit of experimenting will provide you with a flame hot enough for small soldering jobs. By the way, that’s *blow* through the tube, not suck. ;-) —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: N/A iQEVAwUBP/QhagQjMfz1bq39AQESJQf9ECpDBNj6qsisqNotI6kTB2vfgYTN1Tua BP0AZT8b0HF2US+Sk771MWNBkPIO3yb9oYMyNFeHoFr8RaySLdRL/SwevGaBUiEZ awaP4oYAVxHFyMxx21aEuw8ddMDNIyU/GHGmMJH/ds8rgjJ3Yvhy3wZ5LCdhZ1vS PDQf9WmVegoBWyeuMPSmgMUK/pmsFr713rk8ZBMPSv7X3Pzx9ZT29SgGK4uPf3YX cuGobmH1W0jeJryEAq2U9vNr9MVQARYpqJcXxbXX1PdkYMNPe9j+kI99TBAg46TW LW7bmqiZFdeUPJURS3GSj5DAmN2tgfY/yGFlMyeKwPw5rV2g1uMMtg== =zeob —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations. — Life is hard then you die (if you’re lucky) Ratman I have been thinking about this issue for the past few weeks.  I am NOT a smoker.  As such, I have very little day to day need for a lighter. A Zippo is filled manually and lasts a few days (3-6 days) before it is dry and needs refilling.  Thus, it requires constant maintenance. Even if I am assiduous in filling the zippo, it is only good for a few days in the event of an emergency. A butane lighter does not require maintenace.  In the event of an emergency, it can last for a period of time that is CERTAINLY longer than a zippo.  At most, I need to take a peek at the translucent container every couple of months to check if the butane is still full. Conway Yee A Zippo can be run off of quite a few diff types of fuels and a flint can be had from any emptied butane lighter….the same can’t be said for the butane. Short-term survival….take multiple Bics.  Long-term survival….plan on a Zippo or four. ral I keep a couple of BIC lighters around. Nice to have around, don’t dry/run out of fuel when not in use. Can be dropped in water and usually work right away. I plan on getting one of the wind "proof" and water "proof" refillable butane lighters. I also keep several Zippo (and the type) lighters around. When the disposables run out what are you going to do? Zippos and the like will burn damn near anything… lighter fluid (easy to keep around), gas, kerosene, lamp oil, etc. So for survival they’re great due to the multi-fuel aspect. Childproof mechanisms can cut both ways.  To me the most important thing is trying to use it when your hands are numb, you are injured, shaking with hunger, or just dog exhausted.  You can find them without the latches if you look. On the other hand, I carry one in a belt pouch with my multi-tool.  I noticed it was almost empty and I had used it very little.  Turned out the pouch is a bit tight and if I moved the right way the trigger was pushed down for an instant.  Over about two years it was almost emptied.  There childproof would have been better. Of course you may have childs to proof.  In which case you don’t want a Zippo. I like butane lighters as they will keep for years while the Zippo style dries out in weeks at the most.  Carrying the fuel is as much pain as several butane lighters.  Refueling can be messy, unsafe, and increase the freeze threat to hands. On the other hand it can be used to give wet wood a little boost.  But that’s risky and the fuel is use up fast. I like the clear ones so you can see the fuel level and I especially like the see-through bright yellow ones because they are easier to spot if you drop them. If you go butane, carry a half dozen in your bag and vehicle.  They are cheap, light, and small so it’s good insurance and gives you endurance. What you can do with a Zippo is hold it by the lid.  That keeps fingers a tad cooler if you are doing a long burn. Zippo fuel is just coleman fuel aka naphtha.  You probably have that and in any case it’s a lot cheaper. In any case, the sparker on either kind will keep going long after the fuel is gone, so don’t dump it when it’s dry. I prefer disposables because I can get lots of them and have them all over the place. I would not want to rely on them as my sole source of starting a fire in the wilds.  In addition, I pack a tune of vaseline soaked cotton balls. waterproof matches, and tea light candles for fire starting. Strider Zippo style lighters require a lot of work to keep them happy, but will last a lifetime. disposable lighters will last as long as the fuel is not used up or leaks out.  I have seen disposable lighters that had to be at least 10 years old that still work. You will get considerably more ‘lights’ per fill out of a disposable than you will out of  a Zippo.  My kit has 2 disposables and a container of waterproof strike anywhere matches.  I carry candle stubs in 35mm film containers to use as an aid to starting fires.  A flashlight cell and some steel wool will start a nice fire; just short the steel wool across the cell. Before giving up on the idea of childproof, try a couple.  One kind is so identical to the way I use them anyway that I couldn’t figure out where the childproofing was, but I still got the doesn’t-accidentally-run-out-of-fuel effect.  I doubt numbness or injury would make any difference to me for that particular kind, though, since I couldn’t even figure out what the difference was until somebody showed me.   Zippo lighters do have some benefits that the cheapie butane lighters can’t match. The first being their resistance to wind. Zippo makes a small machined aluminum container that goes on a key ring and holds enough fuel for one refill, a spare flint, and a flint screw removal tool. These can be found on Ebay (if they are still in production) for about $15 US.   Zippo’s also are useful as a mini fire starting kit. Tinder such as fine steel wool, cotton balls with Vaseline and a few extra flints can be stored after removing the cotton wadding that normally holds the fuel.   Another important thing to look at for Zippo users, never buy the knock offs, they are just about worthless when they work and usually become useless in a much shorter time.   Just my $.02   c0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On the other hand, I carry one in a belt pouch with my multi-tool.  I noticed it was almost empty and I had used it very little.  Turned out the pouch is a bit tight and if I moved the right way the trigger was pushed down for an instant.  Over about two years it was almost emptied.  There childproof would have been better. Of course you may have childs to proof.  In which case you don’t want a Zippo. I like butane lighters as they will keep for years while the Zippo style dries out in weeks at the most.  Carrying the fuel is as much pain as several butane lighters.  Refueling can be messy, unsafe, and increase the freeze threat to hands. On the other hand it can be used to give wet wood a little boost.  But that’s risky and the fuel is use up fast. I like the clear ones so you can see the fuel level and I especially like the see-through bright yellow ones because they are easier to spot if you drop them. If you go butane, carry a half dozen in your bag and vehicle.  They are cheap, light, and small so it’s good insurance and gives you endurance. What you can do with a Zippo is hold it by the lid.  That keeps fingers a tad cooler if you are doing a long burn. Zippo fuel is just coleman fuel aka naphtha.  You probably have that and in any case it’s a lot cheaper. In any case, the sparker on either kind will keep going long after the fuel is gone, so don’t dump it when it’s dry.

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By taking the metal shield off the butane lighter, you can use the spark wheel to light flammable liquids in some kind of wick. I know…. when I was a teen, I used to use a Bic lighter sparker to light my alcohol  burner in the chem lab. —    Christopher A. Young    Join Alt-Hvac Moderated    A free, easy to use Yahoo! group

A Zippo is filled manually and lasts a few days (3-6 days) before it is dry and needs refilling.  Thus, it requires constant maintenance. Even if I am assiduous in filling the zippo, it is only good for a few days in the event of an emergency.

A Zippo can be run off of quite a few diff types of fuels and a flint can be had from any emptied butane lighter….the same can’t be said for the butane. Short-term survival….take multiple Bics.  Long-term survival….plan on a Zippo or four. ral

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"Richard Edward" Thanks most kindly for that tip, I sdhall try it in the very near future.

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I guess this topic probably runs through here pretty regularly, but anyway, I am wondering about the pros and cons of Zippo type lighters vs. disposable lighters in long and short term TSHTF situations.

I am the KING of Zippo theory as it relates to survival ;oD i wrote a FAQ on this, don’t know where it is right now, so i’ll just wing it. ZIPPO SURVIVAL THEORY…. Zippo lighters are exceedingly effective and desirable in providing literally thousands of lights at very little cost, space and effort, however a Zippo will =FAIL= under the worse conditions (when you need it the most, and so will a disposable butane). Therefore, Zippos perform exceedingly well in providing numerous, inexpensive lights in day to day operations in moderate conditions, but you should BACK IT UP with some sort of fool proof source of fire for the desperate situation when you need fire to save your life; This is not just a different source or type of ignition :o / but some type of BLOCK OF =FUEL= that burns long and hot enough to warm you up and/or dry out and ignite whatever other fuel are available. Don’t depend on a Zippo to save your life, but use it to save your LIFE SAVERS for when you really need them! That said, here’s how to get the most out of your Zippo…. DO NOT put ANY fuel into your Zippo except lighter fluid or Coleman type "camp fuel"! Nothing else works. Gasoline is the only thing else that comes close, but it is dangerous, burns very dirty and will gum up the wick causing the Zippo to never burn as big a flame until you replace the wick. (i’ve done this, so i know, and you can’t clean or restore a wick) Coleman type "camp fuel" burns very clean and well in a Zippo, but burns hotter than lighter fluid, and if allowed to burn continuously for more than 30 seconds Coleman fuel will heat up the lighter case causing the fuel in the case to boil which causes the flame to grow considerably which will overheat the sparker wheel ruining it’s hardness which ruins it’s ability to generate spark down to a very few times. The test to determine if a fuel will work in a Zippo is to pour a small amount on a small rag and see if it will ignite from spark =cold=. Compare that test fuel to a similar test using lighter fluid. It is considerably harder to ignite any fuel =cold= than it is to re-ignite one that was just burning. If in a desperate situation, what’s the point of filling your nice Zippo with a heavy, gummy fuel when a rag and spark will accomplish the same thing?! You will ruin the wick of your Zippo by putting kerosine, lamp fuel or gasoline into it!! Storing extra flint under the bottom pad is a common practice. Flint salvaged from any disposable butane lighter fits in a Zippo. Stretching the spring of a Zippo generates more spark, but shortens flint life. A Zippo kept in a warm pants pocket makes the Zippo empty and causes a rash on your leg. A Zippo case is made of chrome plated brass; To attach something to attach a string to not loose a survival Zippo, sandpaper it down to the brass and then a high powered soldering iron works well given enough surface area for strength. The case melts at temperatures for silver brazing temperatures unless you’re a professional. I can’t think of anything else to add except to repeat, a Zippo is a good, cheap, long lasting firestarter, just don’t rely on one to save your life.  

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One thing about butane is that it doesn’t vaporize in freezing temperatures.  So you’ll at least have to warm one (with body heat?) before it’ll light.  And if it’s still cool, the flame output will be reduced.

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I have nothing to do with this company other than been a good customer but I thought says we’re talking about urinary problems there may be some people reading this who are unaware of this option. if anyone is looking where to buy one I found mine at the following Web address http://www.rolli-moden.com/products03.html.  They come in both male and female versions and look like a large black plastic 35mm film container with a neoprene bladder inside that expands when it is pushed out.  They easily fit in a jacket pocket — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software

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These are great…have been using them for over three years. When I first started using them, I could stand up at my desk and pee into it, and not worry about making it to the bathroom.  Also could use them in bed, didn’t have to get up during the night. Then when I started self-cathetering, I would put the end of the catheter in the uribag.  I stopped doing this because of constant uti’s. Now I use the bioderm external condom device, and drain the legbag into the uribag when indoors. Happy Trails, Cowboy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net> wrote in message <news:uTu_a.4323$zE1.3350@edtnps84>… > I have nothing to do with this company other than been a good customer but I > thought says we’re talking about urinary problems there may be some people > reading this who are unaware of this option. > if anyone is looking where to buy one I found mine at the following Web > address > http://www.rolli-moden.com/products03.html.  They come in both male and > female versions and look like a large black plastic 35mm film container with > a neoprene bladder inside that expands when it is pushed out.  They easily > fit in a jacket pocket

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Not sure I want to be asking a question like this, but since many people here are in the same boat as me I may as well. I don’t often go on long journeys nowadays by car because it can be difficult if I have to go and there is no where I can go to.Believe me I’ve had some nightmare journeys where I’ve had to go in places where I risked being seen, and its only a miracle that I have never been seen! Although I tend to aviod long journeys these days is there anything I could wear (which people do no notice)which would allow me to relieve myself while I would be sitting in a car, or something ? Or is what is being advertised on that site something that could be worn in those situations ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -msbucka…@hotmail.com (Cowboy) wrote in message <news:af5664c9.0308140121.30150422@posting.google.com>… > These are great…have been using them for over three years. > When I first started using them, I could stand up at my desk and pee > into it, and not worry about making it to the bathroom.  Also could > use them in bed, didn’t have to get up during the night. > Then when I started self-cathetering, I would put the end of the > catheter in the uribag.  I stopped doing this because of constant > uti’s. > Now I use the bioderm external condom device, and drain the legbag > into the uribag when indoors. > Happy Trails, > Cowboy > "white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net> wrote in message <news:uTu_a.4323$zE1.3350@edtnps84>… > > I have nothing to do with this company other than been a good customer but I > > thought says we’re talking about urinary problems there may be some people > > reading this who are unaware of this option. > > if anyone is looking where to buy one I found mine at the following Web > > address > > http://www.rolli-moden.com/products03.html.  They come in both male and > > female versions and look like a large black plastic 35mm film container with > > a neoprene bladder inside that expands when it is pushed out.  They easily > > fit in a jacket pocket

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The portable urinal advertised is designed to take the place of an ordinary urinal, but it discreetly sits in the jacket pocket, glove box or purse. When you need to go, you would take it out and expand the bladder outward. You would use it the same as a conventional size urinal.  The main difference would be that this one can the discreetly stored while empty. After filling it, you would snap the lid on tight and look for a suitable place to empty it. If I was driving (boy does that seem a long time ago – probably about three years ago) I would pull off to the shoulder of the road somewhere and open my pants to use it.  It certainly gave me peace of mind.  Ideally before buying this one, you would try to use a conventional urinal at home by sitting on the toilet with the lid down (pretending that you are sitting behind the steering wheel of a car) to make sure you can urinate while sitting down and fully dressed. Obviously, you would want to try the portable version at home first to make sure it works for you Not only could I use mine in the car, but if no washroom was available you could go around a corner, into an empty room or closet for privacy.  It would probably be a good idea to carry a spare plastic shopping bag in your jacket pocket along with this item to allow you a discrete way of carrying it when full until you can empty it. The man’s version snaps shut so it will not leak.  I do not know about the female version. I found it very useful for a couple years but unfortunately I no longer can use it for a variety of reasons caused by disease progression (no sense of touch or position sense in my hands, no grip strength in my fingers/hands which makes using zippers almost impossible and not being able to concentrate enough on holding my bladder while trying to get ready by expanding the neoprene bladder and getting my zipper undone). Probably it would work for you, but maybe not.  If it does, it is certainly would give you great peace of mind. That is the main reason I posted this, in case it could make a difference in someone else’s life. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software "robert" <wallr…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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just curious if any women have used this type of product? noelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "robert" <wallr…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:7cd02ec0.0308140612.76f4e175@posting.google.com… > > Or is what is being advertised on that site something that could be > > worn in those situations ?

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A newsgroup archive search brought up the same idea. So I went to the shack and bought 2 8-1000 ohm audio transformers. wired one into each side of the stereo inputs. Stuffed them both into a 35mm film container. Got plenty of audio level then from my MP3 player. So much so that the intercom amp clips unless I turn the MP3 volume down to about half. Unfortunately, I doing some maintenance that will prohibit flight testing for about a week. (In fact thats the reason I decided to deal the intercom now, I have easy access) Muting works fine and the audio level is at least as loud as the ATIS broadcast. Thanks for your help. Jerry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are plugging the headphone out from your MP3 player to the line-ins on your NAT, I don’t think that will work.  My uninformed experience is that line level input seems to require more ‘power’ than that put out thru a headphone jack (could be impedence or whatever – what I’ve gotten thru some terrestial setups is a too low volume. ). FWIW, my Garmin audio panel specifically states that the music inputs are for "headphone outputs from popular devices like tape players…". Good luck. I’ve got a NAT AA80-001 intercom in the Pitts, and would like to use my MP3 player to provide music x-country. The i/c has stereo inputs but I’m unable to get music out. Anyone have any ideas? I suspect there is not enough power to drive the inputs, although the NAT website lists them as line level inputs. Thanks Jerry

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If you are plugging the headphone out from your MP3 player to the line-ins on your NAT, I don’t think that will work.  My uninformed experience is that line level input seems to require more ‘power’ than that put out thru a headphone jack (could be impedence or whatever – what I’ve gotten thru some terrestial setups is a too low volume. ). FWIW, my Garmin audio panel specifically states that the music inputs are for "headphone outputs from popular devices like tape players…". Good luck.

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I’ve got a NAT AA80-001 intercom in the Pitts, and would like to use my MP3 player to provide music x-country. The i/c has stereo inputs but I’m unable to get music out. Anyone have any ideas? I suspect there is not enough power to drive the inputs, although the NAT website lists them as line level inputs. Thanks Jerry

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Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make. All i have found so far are, waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister If you know any other things that can be put together cheaply let me know. Size shouldn’t be to big.

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Some of the posters have made their own clothing out of ventile, others made survival vests and knife pouches.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make. All i have found so far are, waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister If you know any other things that can be put together cheaply let me know. Size shouldn’t be to big.

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I filled a ziplock sandwich bag with dryer lint. Then I pressed it flat to take up less room. You can start several fires with one bag. I used magnesium ribbons and a flint to start the dryer lint. I know the magnesium isn’t a home solution, but it was very cheap at a gun show. For $4, I got enough to start at least 200 fires. The flint is actually a magnesium firestarter, but I only use the flint from it. Stupid question: Why can’t you just use a disposable lighter? They cost less than a dollar each, and I think you can get three or four thousand lights from one.

I tried a lighter first on my last fire. It wouldn’t light the wet sticks. The magnesium and lint lit it fairly quick. Dave

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I filled a ziplock sandwich bag with dryer lint. Then I pressed it flat to take up less room. You can start several fires with one bag. I used magnesium ribbons and a flint to start the dryer lint. I know the magnesium isn’t a home solution, but it was very cheap at a gun show. For $4, I got enough to start at least 200 fires. The flint is actually a magnesium firestarter, but I only use the flint from it. Stupid question: Why can’t you just use a disposable lighter? They cost less than a dollar each, and I think you can get three or four thousand lights from one.

because some people like to make things more complicated than they have to be? :-)

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I filled a ziplock sandwich bag with dryer lint. Then I pressed it flat to take up less room. You can start several fires with one bag. I used magnesium ribbons and a flint to start the dryer lint. I know the magnesium isn’t a home solution, but it was very cheap at a gun show. For $4, I got enough to start at least 200 fires. The flint is actually a magnesium firestarter, but I only use the flint from it.

Stupid question: Why can’t you just use a disposable lighter? They cost less than a dollar each, and I think you can get three or four thousand lights from one.

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Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make. All i have found so far are, waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister If you know any other things that can be put together cheaply let me know. Size shouldn’t be to big.

I filled a ziplock sandwich bag with dryer lint. Then I pressed it flat to take up less room. You can start several fires with one bag. I used magnesium ribbons and a flint to start the dryer lint. I know the magnesium isn’t a home solution, but it was very cheap at a gun show. For $4, I got enough to start at least 200 fires. The flint is actually a magnesium firestarter, but I only use the flint from it. Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ha, the condom idea is funny. old army trick i think. thanks for all the links Halcitron, there really good. A bow and arrow looks entertaining to make. I’ll get a lot of good ideas from all those resources. The lint idea is also pretty good. I’ll have to get some from a dryer. I do have one of those magnesium things, i’ve used it but i found you have to scrape off way to much of the magnesium before it helps start the fire. The flint side works well though. I found that if I can find a few twigs, I can shave (knige blade 90 deg to wood) 2 good hand fulls of ‘tinder’,… add a little lint or mag shaving and poof fire. Took me 2 tries (think the wood was damp,… don’t remember) to get a fire going last time I went camping…

2 squares of shit paper will do the same thing and they take up NO space.

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ha, the condom idea is funny. old army trick i think. thanks for all the links Halcitron, there really good. A bow and arrow looks entertaining to make. I’ll get a lot of good ideas from all those resources. The lint idea is also pretty good. I’ll have to get some from a dryer. I do have one of those magnesium things, i’ve used it but i found you have to scrape off way to much of the magnesium before it helps start the fire. The flint side works well though.

I found that if I can find a few twigs, I can shave (knige blade 90 deg to wood) 2 good hand fulls of ‘tinder’,… add a little lint or mag shaving and poof fire. Took me 2 tries (think the wood was damp,… don’t remember) to get a fire going last time I went camping… Cheers.

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ha, the condom idea is funny. old army trick i think. thanks for all the links Halcitron, there really good. A bow and arrow looks entertaining to make. I’ll get a lot of good ideas from all those resources. The lint idea is also pretty good. I’ll have to get some from a dryer. I do have one of those magnesium things, i’ve used it but i found you have to scrape off way to much of the magnesium before it helps start the fire. The flint side works well though. thanks

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Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make.

Almost everything you need. The raw materials you need to make stuff can be found or purchased cheaply enough. Don’t get carried away collecting stuff you *might* need, or you will end up with so much you need a moving van for all of it. (BT,DT) If you go for "small" and inexpensive, go with "few" and "simple" instead of "miniature". As an example, the Gerber multi-tool is good but the cheap copies are likely to break and be worthless. Get a quality "electricians pocket knife" instead because it’s a lot sturdier, and costs about the same as the cheap multi tool. Add a P-38 can openner (real one, not the flimsy stuff off the Cohglin rack) and maybe a small pair of pliers out of Radio Shack, and you have about the same thing. I normally carry a pair of folding scissors (off the Cohglin rack because that was all I could find) for trimming finger nails and cutting stuff that a knife does not work well for. Bums and hoboes get by with practically nothing. They don’t have an easy time of it, but they survive. For a while. Then again, surviving is easy (for a while). Thriving is what’s hard. BTW, nail polish *remover* is not useful for water proofing matches. A thin coating of nail polish is.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make. All i have found so far are, waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister If you know any other things that can be put together cheaply let me know. Size shouldn’t be to big. Well, if the size is limited to a film cannister, I think you can get 5 *maxxum* condoms in one. (they’re good for covering the barrel of your elephant gun in case of rain) or gathering drinking water if there not lubricated.lol

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I tried a lighter first on my last fire. It wouldn’t light the wet sticks. The magnesium and lint lit it fairly quick. The lighter could also be used to light the magnesium or lint.  I just don’t see that using a flint to make a spark is somehow superior to using a butane lighter to make an instant flame.  But, YMMV.

 I don’t think of using the flint as being superior, just different. It’s something fun for the kids during a winter camping trip when there’s not much else for them to do. I tried it first so see how hard it was. I actually prefer a zippo. I carry waterproof matches, disposible bic, trick candles, magnesium/flint, zippo and lint in by pack. It sounds like alot, but it packs up in a small kit. My zippo once failed to light when wet. The flint/magnesium combo lit up after being dipped in water. Dave

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Hey, I’m new to this group. I was wondering what survival gear you can make. All i have found so far are, waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister If you know any other things that can be put together cheaply let me know. Size shouldn’t be to big.

Well, if the size is limited to a film cannister, I think you can get 5 *maxxum* condoms in one. (they’re good for covering the barrel of your elephant gun in case of rain)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I filled a ziplock sandwich bag with dryer lint. Then I pressed it flat to take up less room. You can start several fires with one bag. I used magnesium ribbons and a flint to start the dryer lint. I know the magnesium isn’t a home solution, but it was very cheap at a gun show. For $4, I got enough to start at least 200 fires. The flint is actually a magnesium firestarter, but I only use the flint from it. Stupid question: Why can’t you just use a disposable lighter? They cost less than a dollar each, and I think you can get three or four thousand lights from one. I tried a lighter first on my last fire. It wouldn’t light the wet sticks. The magnesium and lint lit it fairly quick.

The lighter could also be used to light the magnesium or lint.  I just don’t see that using a flint to make a spark is somehow superior to using a butane lighter to make an instant flame.  But, YMMV. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave

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waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister

That’s a good start.  Add to your small pack some razor blades or even get a razor blade with a handle, look in the hardware store where they are cheapest.  If you need something cut, and you don’t want to dull a good knife doing it, it will come in handy.   Let’s see.  A basic kit should also have cordage, so if you don’t want to get some 550 paracord, some strong twine or even fishing line can be added to your kit.   For your fire can, you can add cotton balls on top of the treated matches to make the can silent (no rattles) will give you additional tinder for the fire, though since I’m learning how to spin yarn, Mr. X has been taking cotton balls and showing his friends how to draft out and spin yarn from the cotton that comes in the top of our vitamin bottles LOL.  However, if you have not thrown out your cotton from your vitamin container, it’s a freebie for your survival kit.   If you have any extra candles lying around, add one to your kit. Those trick birthday candles are a good thing to have.   You have not mentioned shelter.  A very basic bare bones kit should have SOMETHING devoted to shelter, and if you want to go ultra cheap, for rain protection, add a couple of large garbage bags to your kit. Can cut head and arm holes and you have instant rain poncho, but you can get one with a hood packed down nice and tight from Wal-Mart for about a buck.   Also cheap in Wal-Mart, around here anyway, are emergency blankets. They are also folded nice and compact and will fit into your kit.   Other medical items you may want to consider are any prescription medications you or your family take.  Throw in some Band-Aids from a larger box, generic work just as well as brand name, some triple-antibiotic cream or ointment, medical tape, because Band-Aids do fall off if you have work to do and even in gloves they come unstuck pretty easily, brand name or not.   As for clothing options, you should have some good wool items.  Wool will insulate you even when it’s wet, so if you don’t have any wool, you should invest in a wool hat, gloves, scarf, and socks, or make them if you know how to knit and/or crochet.  I find wool items bought in the store are rather harsh on the skin because wool that’s treated commercially usually becomes VERY scratchy.  Many 100% wool yarns have not been treated with so many chemicals, and therefore, the wool stays relatively soft.  Learn the difference between superwash and virgin wool.  If you make something of virgin wool and then wash it in hot water, it will felt, meaning the fibers will clump together, making your item shrink and become more dense.  This is a good thing if your SO has made you a sweater that’s 5 times too big, but a bag thing if it was a snug fit to begin with.  Superwash wool is made to go through the laundry without felting.   That’s a start on some other items for you.   Xena

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister That’s a good start.  Add to your small pack some razor blades or even get a razor blade with a handle, look in the hardware store where they are cheapest.  If you need something cut, and you don’t want to dull a good knife doing it, it will come in handy.   Let’s see.  A basic kit should also have cordage, so if you don’t want to get some 550 paracord, some strong twine or even fishing line can be added to your kit.   For your fire can, you can add cotton balls on top of the treated matches to make the can silent (no rattles) will give you additional tinder for the fire, though since I’m learning how to spin yarn, Mr. X has been taking cotton balls and showing his friends how to draft out and spin yarn from the cotton that comes in the top of our vitamin bottles LOL.  However, if you have not thrown out your cotton from your vitamin container, it’s a freebie for your survival kit.   If you have any extra candles lying around, add one to your kit. Those trick birthday candles are a good thing to have.   You have not mentioned shelter.  A very basic bare bones kit should have SOMETHING devoted to shelter, and if you want to go ultra cheap, for rain protection, add a couple of large garbage bags to your kit. Can cut head and arm holes and you have instant rain poncho, but you can get one with a hood packed down nice and tight from Wal-Mart for about a buck.  

Agreed, but keeping gear dry can be just as important as keeping self dry. If weather bad enough to not move around, then might be improvising a shelter somewhere.  IMHO, biggest problem is to try to protect improvised shelters from both water and wind is a sheet of plastic. Cheapest solution I know for this is the roughly 6 x 8 foot sheets of thin transparent polyethylene sold as "painters dropcloths"  Still have some bought years ago at three for $A 1.00…. or in US$ terms, about 20 cents each. :-) Like cheap "survival space blankets", a bit of a "one use" item if aren’t extremely careful with them. Probably less than a mil [1/1000 inch] thick.  Main advantage is that are very cheap and don’t take up much space.   If want something much more durable, buy some 6 or 8 mil agricultural or construction plastic.  Usually 6 meters [or roughly 6.5 yards wide] black or orange in colour, and can buy any length by the metre. [~39 inches.]  Usually sold folded in half on 3 metre wide rolls. Much more rugged than the thin crap.  However, if want something that will last much longer, go to some grade of canvas, or, better yet "rubberized nylon" tarp.  This is "ripstop" stuff, nylon covered with neoprene.  Farmers use it for irrigation ditch dams.  The stuff that collapsible water and gasoline tanks is made from. More expensive and heavier than either plastic or canvas.  On the other hand, almost indestructible in normal use. Also cheap in Wal-Mart, around here anyway, are emergency blankets. They are also folded nice and compact and will fit into your kit.  

Take it that you mean the cheap "space blankets" of metallized plastic that fold to around the size of a cigarette pack.  Effective enough, but again almost a "one use" item.  The more expensive "survival blanket" consists of the metallised plastic, a fibre scrim inner layer, colored plastic outer layer, cloth with grommets on edges. IMHO, one of the most useful survival items ever invented, and wouldn’t be without one. Other medical items you may want to consider are any prescription medications you or your family take.  Throw in some Band-Aids from a larger box, generic work just as well as brand name, some triple-antibiotic cream or ointment,

 Umm, OK, but in terms of weight/space/effectiveness would still recommend iodine, mercurochrome, etc.  …However all are better at preventing infection than curing it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – medical tape, because Band-Aids do fall off if you have work to do and even in gloves they come unstuck pretty easily, brand name or not.   As for clothing options, you should have some good wool items.  Wool will insulate you even when it’s wet, so if you don’t have any wool, you should invest in a wool hat, gloves, scarf, and socks, or make them if you know how to knit and/or crochet.  I find wool items bought in the store are rather harsh on the skin because wool that’s treated commercially usually becomes VERY scratchy.  Many 100% wool yarns have not been treated with so many chemicals, and therefore, the wool stays relatively soft.  Learn the difference between superwash and virgin wool.  If you make something of virgin wool and then wash it in hot water, it will felt, meaning the fibers will clump together, making your item shrink and become more dense.  This is a good thing if your SO has made you a sweater that’s 5 times too big, but a bag thing if it was a snug fit to begin with.  Superwash wool is made to go through the laundry without felting.  

Very difficult to improve on greasy wool for warmth, which is why fishermen in highly unpleasant conditions wear "fair isle" sweaters. Air is a great insulator, and wool fibers are hollow.  There is a synthetic which mimics wool, but AFIK is still more expensive than genuine wool. A sheep covered in frost is usually still a comfortable sheep. :-) That’s a start on some other items for you.  

All great advice, Xena. It would help a bit if people writing in for advice gave some basic guidelines, though. With the expertise available on misc.survivalism, can offer lots of advice.  However, it obviously makes a lot of difference if the individual wants to survive at the poles or on the equator. Other important info includes roughly how much money he is willing to spend and the maximum allowable weight and space for the "survival pack" I have been a "survivalist" for many decades, and will admit that my first "kit" as a as a child was pretty primitive. Still, it sometimes came in handy even for adults.  [Eventually they even stopped laughing at me for being "prepared"  :-) ] Hm, come to think of it,this might be an interesting area for discussion.  Might be interesting to know when you, Xena, or you Gunner, first started thinking of "useful survival items". Of course, suppose it depends a lot on where a child grows up.  If in a big city, don’t suppose that there is much point in carrying around matches, fishooks, etc. …Or knowing where to find water or food. :-) Perhaps our early experiences count for more than we tend to think.   When grow up in a dry area, only have to get desperately thirsty once or twice to realize that water is often more important than anything else. Don’t have to be very hungry long very often to realize how good a cheap can of beans can taste. Don’t have to spend many hours shivering in the cold to realize how useful matches, fuel, and knowledge of how to build a fire can be. Don’t have to hold your breath that long to know how important air can be. And, for that matter, don’t have to be frightened much until learn how to defend oneself., I suppose.:-) Maybe when we learn such things early in life we tend to grow up and be "survivalists"? Considering the obvious present risks, there are still very few people on misc.survivalism.  Do others find this interesting? Why aren’t hundreds, thousands or even millions on it?  Do they think they already know all there is to know, or are they all in denial? Anyone have any ideas on this issue? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Xena

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Thanks Xena, you added a lot of good things: razor blades, 550 cord, extra cotton balls (i dunno about spinning yarn out of them though lol), Band Aids, antibiotics cream, and wool clothing. The one that caught my attention the most was the Garbage bags. They could be used to make shelter a few different way and could be used to collect water. I will add a bunch. Thanks

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check out your local dollar store, much stuff is available cheap. bic lighters, rope, poncho’s, food, supplies, etc. — Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waterproofing matches in a 35mm film canister (parafin and nail polisher remover, basicaly acetone) fishing gear in a film canister salt in a film canister (wouldn’t last long but would help) multi-vitiminns in a film canister That’s a good start.  Add to your small pack some razor blades or even get a razor blade with a handle, look in the hardware store where they are cheapest.  If you need something cut, and you don’t want to dull a good knife doing it, it will come in handy. Let’s see.  A basic kit should also have cordage, so if you don’t want to get some 550 paracord, some strong twine or even fishing line can be added to your kit. For your fire can, you can add cotton balls on top of the treated matches to make the can silent (no rattles) will give you additional tinder for the fire, though since I’m learning how to spin yarn, Mr. X has been taking cotton balls and showing his friends how to draft out and spin yarn from the cotton that comes in the top of our vitamin bottles LOL.  However, if you have not thrown out your cotton from your vitamin container, it’s a freebie for your survival kit. If you have any extra candles lying around, add one to your kit. Those trick birthday candles are a good thing to have. You have not mentioned shelter.  A very basic bare bones kit should have SOMETHING devoted to shelter, and if you want to go ultra cheap, for rain protection, add a couple of large garbage bags to your kit. Can cut head and arm holes and you have instant rain poncho, but you can get one with a hood packed down nice and tight from Wal-Mart for about a buck. Agreed, but keeping gear dry can be just as important as keeping self dry. If weather bad enough to not move around, then might be improvising a shelter somewhere.  IMHO, biggest problem is to try to protect improvised shelters from both water and wind is a sheet of plastic. Cheapest solution I know for this is the roughly 6 x 8 foot sheets of thin transparent polyethylene sold as "painters dropcloths"  Still have some bought years ago at three for $A 1.00…. or in US$ terms, about 20 cents each. :-) Like cheap "survival space blankets", a bit of a "one use" item if aren’t extremely careful with them. Probably less than a mil [1/1000 inch] thick.  Main advantage is that are very cheap and don’t take up much space. If want something much more durable, buy some 6 or 8 mil agricultural or construction plastic.  Usually 6 meters [or roughly 6.5 yards wide] black or orange in colour, and can buy any length by the metre. [~39 inches.]  Usually sold folded in half on 3 metre wide rolls. Much more rugged than the thin crap.  However, if want something that will last much longer, go to some grade of canvas, or, better yet "rubberized nylon" tarp.  This is "ripstop" stuff, nylon covered with neoprene.  Farmers use it for irrigation ditch dams.  The stuff that collapsible water and gasoline tanks is made from. More expensive and heavier than either plastic or canvas.  On the other hand, almost indestructible in normal use. Also cheap in Wal-Mart, around here anyway, are emergency blankets. They are also folded nice and compact and will fit into your kit. Take it that you mean the cheap "space blankets" of metallized plastic that fold to around the size of a cigarette pack.  Effective enough, but again almost a "one use" item.  The more expensive "survival blanket" consists of the metallised plastic, a fibre scrim inner layer, colored plastic outer layer, cloth with grommets on edges. IMHO, one of the most useful survival items ever invented, and wouldn’t be without one. Other medical items you may want to consider are any prescription medications you or your family take.  Throw in some Band-Aids from a larger box, generic work just as well as brand name, some triple-antibiotic cream or ointment,  Umm, OK, but in terms of weight/space/effectiveness would still recommend iodine, mercurochrome, etc.  …However all are better at preventing infection than curing it. medical tape, because Band-Aids do fall off if you have work to do and even in gloves they come unstuck pretty easily, brand name or not. As for clothing options, you should have some good wool items.  Wool will insulate you even when it’s wet, so if you don’t have any wool, you should invest in a wool hat, gloves, scarf, and socks, or make them if you know how to knit and/or crochet.  I find wool items bought in the store are rather harsh on the skin because wool that’s treated commercially usually becomes VERY scratchy.  Many 100% wool yarns have not been treated with so many chemicals, and therefore, the wool stays relatively soft.  Learn the difference between superwash and virgin wool.  If you make something of virgin wool and then wash it in hot water, it will felt, meaning the fibers will clump together, making your item shrink and become more dense.  This is a good thing if your SO has made you a sweater that’s 5 times too big, but a bag thing if it was a snug fit to begin with.  Superwash wool is made to go through the laundry without felting. Very difficult to improve on greasy wool for warmth, which is why fishermen in highly unpleasant conditions wear "fair isle" sweaters. Air is a great insulator, and wool fibers are hollow.  There is a synthetic which mimics wool, but AFIK is still more expensive than genuine wool. A sheep covered in frost is usually still a comfortable sheep. :-) That’s a start on some other items for you. All great advice, Xena. It would help a bit if people writing in for advice gave some basic guidelines, though. With the expertise available on misc.survivalism, can offer lots of advice.  However, it obviously makes a lot of difference if the individual wants to survive at the poles or on the equator. Other important info includes roughly how much money he is willing to spend and the maximum allowable weight and space for the "survival pack" I have been a "survivalist" for many decades, and will admit that my first "kit" as a as a child was pretty primitive. Still, it sometimes came in handy even for adults.  [Eventually they even stopped laughing at me for being "prepared"  :-) ] Hm, come to think of it,this might be an interesting area for discussion.  Might be interesting to know when you, Xena, or you Gunner, first started thinking of "useful survival items". Of course, suppose it depends a lot on where a child grows up.  If in a big city, don’t suppose that there is much point in carrying around matches, fishooks, etc. …Or knowing where to find water or food. :-) Perhaps our early experiences count for more than we tend to think. When grow up in a dry area, only have to get desperately thirsty once or twice to realize that water is often more important than anything else. Don’t have to be very hungry long very often to realize how good a cheap can of beans can taste. Don’t have to spend many hours shivering in the cold to realize how useful matches, fuel, and knowledge of how to build a fire can be. Don’t have to hold your breath that long to know how important air can be. And, for that matter, don’t have to be frightened much until learn how to defend oneself., I suppose.:-) Maybe when we learn such things early in life we tend to grow up and be "survivalists"? Considering the obvious present risks, there are still very few people on misc.survivalism.  Do others find this interesting? Why aren’t hundreds, thousands or even millions on it?  Do they think they already know all there is to know, or are they all in denial? Anyone have any ideas on this issue? Xena

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Like cheap "survival space blankets", a bit of a "one use" item if aren’t extremely careful with them.

Good advice, but the poster sounded like a rank beginner who wanted to at least have SOMETHING to keep with him/her that didn’t cost too much.  Was trying to offer things that would not break the bank while building up a better kit.   Very difficult to improve on greasy wool for warmth, which is why fishermen in highly unpleasant conditions wear "fair isle" sweaters.

Fair isle refers to a style of knitting.  Two colors and two colors only are used in a row of fair isle knitting.  You can use as many colors as you want in the sweater, but only two colors per row, and some mild patterning.  The strands of yarn are carried together across the work, dropping the yarn not in use, and possibly tucking it behind other stitches here and there if the repeat is a wide one, and the extra yarn adds extra thickness to the sweater.   Some of the most famous fishermen’s sweaters were done in a style of knitting that is called Aran, which is heavily cabled.  Generally only one color of yarn is used, the natural shade of the sheep, because on some really remote islands, things like moss and other plants weren’t available to help color the wool, so rather than stranding two different colors, they crossed stitches done in one strand of yarn here and there, or clustered them into bobbles to create a thicker fabric that way.   Air is a great insulator, and wool fibers are hollow.  There is a synthetic which mimics wool, but AFIK is still more expensive than genuine wool.

You can also take wool that has not been processed to death (which makes many modern commercial wool products so scratchy), which means you can’t just get it at Wal-Mart, because the cheap Woolease has been treated to go through the washer and come out unscathed, and if you get relatively unprocessed wool, you can make your item much bigger than you want it to be, just plain knitting or crocheting will do, and then wash it in hot water, alternating that with dunks into cold water.  The wool fibers are ridged, and the heat opens the ridges. You agitate the wash, and the fibers become more entangled and compact the longer you hot wash it, and then you dunk it into cold water to help stop shrinkage and the matting process.   When all that is said and done, you have a felted item.  Wool felt is quite water resistant.  Many peoples have used felted wool items and still do.  The yurts/ger tents of the Mongols were covered with felt. Scandinavians made felt boots for the winter.  Etc.   Other important info includes roughly how much money he is willing to spend and the maximum allowable weight and space for the "survival pack"

That’s why I offered low-cost items and mentioned some items the questioner might have laying around the house and might not have considered as a possibility for his/her pack.   Hm, come to think of it,this might be an interesting area for discussion.  Might be interesting to know when you, Xena, or you Gunner, first started thinking of "useful survival items".

As a child, we grew and saved a lot of our own food as a necessity. This has always been with me as an adult, and has helped us through difficult times.  However, I would only store extra food when Mr. X’s job was slated to end, and we knew the project was close to a close, so we’d be tided over while he found other work, which usually didn’t take too long.   It took the Y2K scare to get me keeping food around on a regular basis, and it’s come in handy so many times since then that it’s now a regular thing.  I even have Mr. X’s approval, which I didn’t have at first.  I think he was afraid I’d end up like the "typical survivalist nut" in the dipshit "Y2K-The Movie" with barbed wire on the fence and a gun clutched in extremely paranoid hands.  As it was, we were laughing at the movie, where the people are running uphill and beat the water’s arrival to the nuclear reactor’s center, which is 4,000 degrees, and they are allowed to enter the reactor room, and the water pouring in to save the day is just filling the chamber.  Yeah right. No steam, and the people are just allowed into an overheating nuclear reactor core and don’t get parboiled by the steam that should be created by the water rushing in?  Don’t think so!  It was lame beyond words, but Mr. X was worried for a while that I would take it too far. However, I’ve been slow in building up our supplies, and I’ve been trying different things slowly, not all at once, and he’s finally been convinced.   When grow up in a dry area, only have to get desperately thirsty once or twice to realize that water is often more important than anything else.

Did a lot of hiking when I was a kid, and I was given a nice canteen when I was really young, and I carried it for years and years, until it finally did wear out.  Dropped one too many times by my sibs. Other than that, I always knew where I was when out hiking, could tell directions by the sun or stars, etc.   Xena

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I have found that some paper towel, tissue paper whatever to cover the wound and wrap the paper with black electrical tape makes a great bandaid. Stays on when wet.

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For your fire can, you can add cotton balls on top of the treated matches to make the can silent (no rattles) will give you additional tinder for the fire, Those cotton balls will burn much better with some vasilene on them.    Johnny A man should know: How to change a tire, a diaper, and a woman’s mind.Trouble when he sees it.True love when he feels it.A load of bull when he hears it.The symptoms of PMS and how to deal with them.How to unhook a bra with one hand-in the dark.

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Thanks… I suppose that aspect of my hobby will have to wait until I have a bit more money… lol. So I’ll have to stick with trailers for now… lol. Thanks though :) . "Zoe nou sos agapo." – Lord Byron "Est Sularus Oth Mithas." – Solamnic Knights "She walks in beauty, like the night" – Lord Byron "all which isn’t singing is mere talking and all talking’s talking to oneself" – e e cummings

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Hmm… another question; if I call the local theatre about purchasing trailers, do you think they would sell to a collector? And who should I ask for? (manager, owner?) "Zoe nou sos agapo." – Lord Byron "Est Sularus Oth Mithas." – Solamnic Knights "She walks in beauty, like the night" – Lord Byron "all which isn’t singing is mere talking and all talking’s talking to oneself" – e e cummings

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short answer is yes…..most all traditional theaters rent the films from the movie studio’s….so that 8 or 9$ you pay for your ticket goes to cover the rental cost and the cut the movie studio gets of the film…which can vary from film to film and area to area. Assuming you had a 35mm projector you can rent a film <well older films that is from any where from 50-hundreds of dollars with out having to contract a cut to the studio (ie. we had a party at the movies where I worked, we "rented" scream on 35mm for a staff only showing) back to the point….to buy a film it self to own would cost (according to the figures ive seen at work, thousands to tens of thousands of dollars) hope this helps captain science – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know eBay disallows 35mm and 70mm films for sale (for the obvious copyright reasons, and the way theatres run); but, is there anyway, short of running a legitimate theatre, to get ahold of prints?

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I know eBay disallows 35mm and 70mm films for sale (for the obvious copyright reasons, and the way theatres run); but, is there anyway, short of running a legitimate theatre, to get ahold of prints?

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I usually dip my balls in … oh wait.., wrong newsgroup  ;) (sorry, couldn’t resist) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    You may want to try dipping cotton balls into melted wax.

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Old worn flannel pajamas.  Cut into 4"x4" squares and ‘cook’ in a hot oven until they are almost charred.  Caution to be used if wife or mother around to watch you do this. They take a dim view of messing up the oven (and house) in case one should catch fire. Keep dry in a airtight container. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had some fun the last few days testing various tinders. I used a spark lighter from an old Coleman lantern; this produces about as much spark as a regular cigarette lighter. I first tried the tinder I favored, hexamine fuel tablets, these once ignited burn for a long time and once the fire is going can be fished out and used again. The problem was I couldn’t get to them to ignite, I even tried scraping some loose powder and making some jagged edges but to no avail. They do light easy with a match and are certainly less messy than the cotton Vaseline combo. There is another type of solid fuel table called trioxane that I didn’t test that if ignitable would be ideal. Next I tried smokeless powder, it would be fairly easy for a hunter to crack open a rifle or shotgun shell for the powder but again I couldn’t get it to ignite. I was able to ignite black powder so if you hunt with a muzzleloader you may be in luck. Unfortunately it just gives one big flash so one would need some pretty good kindling to be able to get it to light a fire. Perhaps shooting a rag out of the barrel and then running and getting the burning rag would be a better method? I tried some common deodorant sticks as they contain a lot of alcohol but again I couldn’t get them to light. I tried fine steel wool but couldn’t get it to ignite, I did light it with a match and it did burn somewhat but would it would be hard to get a fire started with it. I tried cattails and I did get them to ignite but they went up nearly like gunpowder and it would be difficult to get a fire started with it. I didn’t try any tree bark (thin white bark from birch tree or cedar bark) or wood shavings as it unlikely they would ignite just with a few sparks. The same goes for the wax type igniters. The last thing I tried was cotton and Vaseline. These worked well. I was able to get them to ignite and they burned for around 4minutes, enough time to start a fire with minimal kindling. It did seem the more Vaseline on them the harder they where to ignite so found it best to put the Vaseline mostly on one end or in the center.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote… I have had some fun the last few days testing various tinders.    You may want to try dipping cotton balls into melted wax. It only coats the outside of the cotton ball with wax. Break the ball up to get at the fresh cotton and the wax makes it burn longer. The wax also keeps your tinder dry.    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com You can also try cotton balls dipped in petroleum jelly.  Put them in a 35mm film container to keep your gear clean.  They burn hot and for a long time.  We got a fire started in a downpour on a recent canoe trip using these.  They saved the day. —

In damp conditions, a small candle is very helpful for fire starting. If it’s windy, get the special "magic relight" candles. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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I have had some fun the last few days testing various tinders.

   You may want to try dipping cotton balls into melted wax. It only coats the outside of the cotton ball with wax. Break the ball up to get at the fresh cotton and the wax makes it burn longer. The wax also keeps your tinder dry.    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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wrote… I have had some fun the last few days testing various tinders.    You may want to try dipping cotton balls into melted wax. It only coats the outside of the cotton ball with wax. Break the ball up to get at the fresh cotton and the wax makes it burn longer. The wax also keeps your tinder dry.    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

You can also try cotton balls dipped in petroleum jelly.  Put them in a 35mm film container to keep your gear clean.  They burn hot and for a long time.  We got a fire started in a downpour on a recent canoe trip using these.  They saved the day. — Greg

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I have had some fun the last few days testing various tinders. I used a spark lighter from an old Coleman lantern; this produces about as much spark as a regular cigarette lighter. I first tried the tinder I favored, hexamine fuel tablets, these once ignited burn for a long time and once the fire is going can be fished out and used again. The problem was I couldn’t get to them to ignite, I even tried scraping some loose powder and making some jagged edges but to no avail. They do light easy with a match and are certainly less messy than the cotton Vaseline combo. There is another type of solid fuel table called trioxane that I didn’t test that if ignitable would be ideal. Next I tried smokeless powder, it would be fairly easy for a hunter to crack open a rifle or shotgun shell for the powder but again I couldn’t get it to ignite. I was able to ignite black powder so if you hunt with a muzzleloader you may be in luck. Unfortunately it just gives one big flash so one would need some pretty good kindling to be able to get it to light a fire. Perhaps shooting a rag out of the barrel and then running and getting the burning rag would be a better method? I tried some common deodorant sticks as they contain a lot of alcohol but again I couldn’t get them to light. I tried fine steel wool but couldn’t get it to ignite, I did light it with a match and it did burn somewhat but would it would be hard to get a fire started with it. I tried cattails and I did get them to ignite but they went up nearly like gunpowder and it would be difficult to get a fire started with it. I didn’t try any tree bark (thin white bark from birch tree or cedar bark) or wood shavings as it unlikely they would ignite just with a few sparks. The same goes for the wax type igniters. The last thing I tried was cotton and Vaseline. These worked well. I was able to get them to ignite and they burned for around 4minutes, enough time to start a fire with minimal kindling. It did seem the more Vaseline on them the harder they where to ignite so found it best to put the Vaseline mostly on one end or in the center.

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the kids will remember for a lifetime of experience they will never get from our public schools.

That’s the same line your handlers gave you for keeping your lunatic ass locked up in that closet during your formative years Mutt.. Really paid off didn’t it Mutt..

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Richard, congratulations on the pool project. I just spent about 45 minutes looking at your site supplied by our resident jerk. Glad he posted it. Your pool project was well worth the effort, as the kids will remember for a lifetime of experience they will never get from our public schools. I was especially interested in your page about scanning film strips, I just got a Scanmaker 4800 and have been playing around trying to copy 3000 35mm slides onto CDs. I also have tons of super 8 film. I never thought about scanning it. You have opened the door, Thanks. Muff

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Richard, congratulations on the pool project.  

Whata suckass..

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If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. I’ve searched Google and read some things that lead me to believe it will work OK, but before I risk my $300 headphones I want to get confirmation. Thanks, Charlie

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If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom.

No, what will happen is that you won’t hear anything in one ear most likely (unless someone actually went to the effort to put stereo jacks wired for mono).  Many stereo headphones have a switch on them somewhere to put them in mono mode. What you want to avoid is plugging mono headphones into poorly designed stereo intercoms.  Really, this is so common, that the the manufacturer should handle it benignly, but I know of at least one manufacturer who doesn’t.

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: If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA : airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife : wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but : still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. : No, what will happen is that you won’t hear anything in one ear most likely : (unless someone actually went to the effort to put stereo jacks wired for : mono).  Many stereo headphones have a switch on them somewhere to put them : in mono mode. I believe the impedance is also different (8 ohms vs 600 ohms). — Jay    _/  Jay and Teresa Masino    __!__    _/  _/http://www2.ari.net/jmasino !  !  ! _/

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Producing what effect..?

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: If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA : airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife : wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but : still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. : No, what will happen is that you won’t hear anything in one ear most likely : (unless someone actually went to the effort to put stereo jacks wired for : mono).  Many stereo headphones have a switch on them somewhere to put them : in mono mode. I believe the impedance is also different (8 ohms vs 600 ohms).

Oops, I missed that he wasn’t using stereo aviation headsets. Yes the impedence is different.  However, I’ve done that, and it works just fine.  However, the noise attenuation of most stereo headphoens is not the greatest.

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If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom.

Shouldn’t be any problem. When I bought my first plane, I used a set of Sony stereo headphones and a hand mic for a while. Only problem was that there was no sound out of one of the earcups. George Patterson,  N3162Q.

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: If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA : airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife : wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but : still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. Jim Weir has "plans" for a mono-to-stereo adaptor contained in a Kodak film can. This will route the sound to both ears. — ER

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Perfect- that’s the answer I was looking for. Audio in one ear only is no problem (they’ll just be used for a passenger), and the noise attenuation should be very good, as these are Bose AcousticComfort noise canceling headphones – at least they work great in seat 33D of an MD-80 (you know, the one between the engines, next to the toilet). We’ll see how they handle the lower frequency noise of a 172SP. Thanks for the replies. -Charlie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. Shouldn’t be any problem. When I bought my first plane, I used a set of Sony stereo headphones and a hand mic for a while. Only problem was that there was no sound out of one of the earcups. George Patterson,  N3162Q.

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If all else fails, you can get a Lightspeed ANR stereo headset (we bought 15Ks) for $200 refurbished.  Best aviation purchase I have ever made. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Perfect- that’s the answer I was looking for. Audio in one ear only is no problem (they’ll just be used for a passenger), and the noise attenuation should be very good, as these are Bose AcousticComfort noise canceling headphones – at least they work great in seat 33D of an MD-80 (you know, the one between the engines, next to the toilet). We’ll see how they handle the lower frequency noise of a 172SP. Thanks for the replies. -Charlie If I plug a pair of normal stereo headphones into the headphone jack in a GA airplane, am I going to fry them? I’m planning a long trip, and my wife wants to use my Bose noise-cancelling headphones for the long stretches, but still wants to be able to hear me on the intercom. Shouldn’t be any problem. When I bought my first plane, I used a set of Sony stereo headphones and a hand mic for a while. Only problem was that there was no sound out of one of the earcups. George Patterson,  N3162Q.

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Producing what effect..? I believe the impedance is also different (8 ohms vs 600 ohms).

"Non-optimum power transfer" is the book answer. In theory, using a 8 ohm load on a 600 ohm source could draw too much current from the output stage. In reality? The phones are not 8 ohms. That’s a "nominal impedance" at one audio frequency; at others…well. Further, I’ve not seen an amp design in many years that would object to that load, but I defer to Jim Weir who designs & builds such now. What might happen is the 8 ohm load steals so much output that your OTHER headsets don’t have enough volume…unless you turn up the level and blast the first party. All possible issues are solved with a 35mm film can with a jack, a receptacle & few resistors. This also fixes the stereo issue. —

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